You can’t have something both ways…

05 Jan


“Civil laws that establish ‘same-sex marriage’ create a legal fiction,” Cardinal George and other Catholic bishops wrote in a letter sent to priests on Tuesday. “The  state has no power to create something that nature itself tells us is impossible.” (bolding mine – quote from article linked below)

Illinois has a bill before the senate called ‘The Religious Freedom and Marriage Fairness Act’ and the above quote was taken from a post in CP Politics called “Christian Institutions to Lose Adoptions Protection if Ill. Approves Gay  Marriage, Law Group Warns“.  I haven’t read the bill, so I don’t know if it will exempt Religious entities to allow them to discriminate against same-sex couples in regards to adoption, or not – or if it only pertains to adoption agencies that accept federal funds which would be the same as it is now in Illinois, and why Catholic Charities stepped away from foster care, and foster care adoptions.

Yet that isn’t what this post is about.  It is about the concept of “legal fiction” and how the Catholic Cardinal and Bishops state that “the state has no power to create something that nature itself tells us is impossible“.

You probably know where I am going with this by now…

Per the Administrative Code of the Illinois Vital Records – Section 500

8) The new birth certificate shall parallel an original certificate and by legal fiction purport in the case of an adoption, that the adoptive parents are the natural parents. (bolding mine)

So the Catholic Cardinal and Bishops quoted above in trying to justify why that bill is wrong – are they also saying that in Illinois (and extrapolated to mean in any state?) that amending the birth certificate in adoption shouldn’t be allowed to happen, because “the state has no power to create something that nature itself tells us is impossible“?

Waiting with baited breath to see them work to repeal amending the birth certificates in adoption, because you can’t have something both ways…

P.s. do read the actual letter embedded in the article sent by the Cardinal and Bishops to the priests, specifically the second paragraph…


Posted by on January 5, 2013 in Adoption


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5 responses to “You can’t have something both ways…

  1. Valentine Logar

    January 6, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    You raise quite the conundrum, fair to question. Certainly fair challenge on a legal level and moral level. The Church has never been known though for applying logic to their legal arguments.


    • TAO

      January 6, 2013 at 2:39 pm

      Thanks Val – I just hate hypocrisy…and seeing as the CC is strongly opposed to adoptees accessing their original birth certificate it means they also believe using legal fiction in amending the birth certificate is correct. You can’t like something when it works in your interests and not when it is something you don’t like.


  2. maybe

    January 6, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    The leader of this “church” visited Uganda and failed to condemn the govenment’s vow to execute homosexuals. ‘Nuff said.


  3. maybe

    January 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Okay, when a letter starts with “Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ” you know some serious bullshit is sure to follow.

    Food for thought from the letter:

    “It (marriage) provides the biological basis for personal identity.”

    So what does adoption provide?

    “Does this mean nature is cruel or that God is unfair? No, but it does mean that marriage is what nature tells us it is and that the State cannot change natural marriage.”

    Therefore, infertility is not unfair and the state cannot change it by giving away babies at the pound.

    “If we ignore in law the natural complementarity of man and woman in creation, then the natural family is undermined. Our individual lives become artificial constructs protected by civil “rights” that destroy natural rights.

    The very definition of taking a babe from mom and creating an insitution called “adoption.”

    “Human dignity and human rights are then reduced to the whims of political majorities.”

    Or the adoption lobby.


    • TAO

      January 6, 2013 at 6:38 pm

      The contradictory statements are what make me mad.

      Biological basis for identity – that they conveinently throw out the window when they advocate adoption. But for kids adopted out it does not matter because all it takes is love and money…and we will convince mothers to give their babies away.

      Legal fiction cannot be used to allow same-sex marriage – but we will throw that out the window when we amend by the same legal fiction the birth certificate to say someone else created you when it comes to adoption.

      You can’t have it both ways – it either applies across the board – or it applies to nothing.



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